Session Comments

Positive Nett-Works e.V.
"GLOBAL LEARNING & SHAPING THE FUTURE" New Learning for New Societies
Session Comments

Issue	1:

"In which way can schools contribute to global learning?"

Ms. Morton-Marr	1.	Schools can participate in the IHTEC International School Peace Gardens and participate in peacebuilding curriculum and educational programs, using Peace Parks and Peace Gardens as strategies for safer schools. www.ihtec.on.ca
Ms. Herrlich	2.	colours, playing and respecting the natural needs of students and teachers can help to create joy of learning and successfully working together
Mr. Oberle	3.	School's objective is to prepare youth for their life. The problem is often, that schools have to fullfill the curriculum to prepare for final examinations. Where can we find areas at school to improve global learning. How can we prepare our pupils for global learning?
Mr. Oberle	4.	Which basic competences (technical and personal) need pupils for global learning?
Ms. Herrlich	5.	children loose contact with themselves by the influences of the media and the lack of time together in the family. Teachers who not only teach knowledge but care for the emotional wellbeing of their children, gain their respect, feel loved and are eager to learn. This positive experience opens caring for each other and their surrounding, then the world
Mr. Schneider	6.	I find we need to explore existing alternative learning environments that allow for more content FREEDOm in schools , this is about ALTERNATIVE SCHOOLS and FREE schools, DEMOCRATIC schools. These issues are far wider spread in denmark (30%?) , and almost all western countries where there is the freedom of choice of KIND OF education. homeschooling is another way.
Ms. Herrlich	7.	i like the idea of school gardens, peace rooms, where children can find some stillness and get in contact with their feelings. They can be started in every school. Contact with nature prepares the brain for storing knowlegde and allows learning
Mr. Schneider	8.	ALL THIS SOUNDS STRANGE to conventional school teachers, buit the german ALTERNATIVE schools finished SECOND in PISA (in the overall matrix) , and this shows that certain holistic skills seem to be developed much better, even when students decide WHAT is to be taughtm, WHEN and WHERE, even when they start a fire in the hall and sit together in living-room style during class. It it quite a proven fact, indeed.
Mr. Schneider	9.	Actually, it is also about being creative in arranging global learning issues in the conventional curriculum: utopias and real world "utopias" futures can be dealt with in english UTOPIAN literature classes... geography can pick up water issues and agriculture, human geography etc.
Mr. Oberle	10.	The problem is, that the tendency goes to a stricter specification of educational goals for each class
Mr. Henkel	11.	I have good hope for our future education. Once there will be standards as to what students should be able to do at certain ages we will need to teach our students more basics, more methods of how they can learn and gather knowledge by themselves. This will mean we must eliminate a lot of unecessary topics and contents in school subject. Knowledge can be acquired easily in other ways today.
Ms. Herrlich	12.	Many children are frustrated. When you ask them you find out, that they are not able to learn and to concentrate even if they wish to. If we help them with this, we may introduce subjects like sustainable future and water quality and ask them about their own ideas. If they can develop their own ideas, they are happy and become creative
Mr. Henkel	13.	Good idea, Frau Herrlich. Pointing in the right direction.
Ms. Malloy	14.	Yes Mr Herrlich, self directed learning is the only true learning.
Ms. Morton-Marr	15.	The International School Peace Gardens program has developed a core curriculum that has 'A Culture of Peace through Tourism'. The curriculum includes environmental studies, cross-cultural appreciation, peace education, conflict resolution on friendship benches, inter-cultural understanding, language arts and the arts. They learn about how to survive where they are, they study 'the other' countries UNESCO Heritage Sites, Parks etc
Mr. MacBryde	16.	On 8,9 and 10 -- does seem to be push for stricter specification of educational goals, eg in Berlin, but also a recognition of the effectiveness of joint work on projects, and that can be multi-national. Hence, maybe should be more explicit support for multi-national project cooperation.
Mr. Oberle	17.	There are many multinational projects provided by the EU in the SOCRATES program
Ms. Malloy	18.	Mr Oberle - What is the Socrates program?
Mr. Schneider	19.	to 10: i guess we have to take a stand, and argue in line with the values "preparing for life in a participatory democratic society" and the many alternative voices, also in the CultureMInsister Comission ... they even changed Phys. Ed. to reduce comepetition to 10 % of class-time, (LOwer Saxony) baecause it is of no good; instead they shall learn self-organization, the magical feeling of each sports (http://www.cafeweltgeist.org/en_htdocs/education/en_eduguidelines2.html) - quite amazing : and this convinced the parliament !
Mr. Henkel	20.	I think using IT and communicating with real people is one way of starting global learning, such as iEARN (www.iearn.org) has done for many years. If you add 'real face to face' meetings, e.g. students exchanges, this will intensify global learning. And, third, if you do bi- or multinational worksphos, where students work together on special program (avoiding litter, saving a river, ...) that will be great.
Mr. Oberle	21.	The Socrates Program supports schools on international projects. If you want to take part at the program, you need other european schools, a good idea for a project and some patience by filling out forms for the EU. If you are interested in such projects, visit the Homepage of the Staatliche Realschule Schrobenhausen http://www.fvls.de
Mr. Schneider	22.	socrates programme is established by the European Union, covering all kinds of funding for education and international cooperation
Ms. Morton-Marr	23.	Teachers in Canada are overloaded, so they need programs that link easily with existing curriculum. I am very interested in 21 & 22
Ms. Herrlich	24.	I developed the Game of Smiles in Japanes, Englis and German which allows pupils and students from different cultures and nations to share their experiences and discuss values. Humour comes in with being little angels and devils in their adventures and also being children of this world. Choosing colours for the own colourchild helps to create a good atmosphere and there is lot of laughter. Can this transpersonal game be of help
Mr. Oberle	25.	General information on european educational programs can be found on europa.eu.int/comm/educatio/programmes/programmes_en.html
Ms. Morton-Marr	26.	Re 7. Ms Herrlich, we are just working with the Labyrinth as a tool for helping teachers understand the use of sacred spaces.
Mr. MacBryde	27.	A question, Mr. Henkel, about foreign language education: do you have experience with kids using computer assisted translation ?? (My problem has been that most teachers I have worked with want students to learn English, and go with projects in English. In USA any foreign language (except Spanish) is almost impossible.
Ms. Herrlich	28.	thank you, hr. Oberble, I will get in touch, children like


Issue	2:

"i would like to talk with you about international examples (best practice) of access toglobal learning"

Mr. Straskraba	1.	hello ms. zaher
Ms. Zaher	2.	hello all
Mr. Straskraba	3.	hello ms. kolbe
Ms. Kolbe	4.	hello everybody
Mr. Straskraba	5.	does someone of you have experience in intern. access to global learning? i.e. community centers?
Mr. Straskraba	6.	hello mr. oberle
Mr. Straskraba	7.	what is your experience concerning people who are willing to learn - which obstacles do they have to take?
Mr. Straskraba	8.	hello mr. nahrada ;)
Mr. Nahrada	9.	hello
Mr. Straskraba	10.	hello mr. benking
Mr. Straskraba	11.	hello ms. herrlich
Mr. Straskraba	12.	so the topic here is about access to information
Mr. Straskraba	13.	espec. gobal learning
Mr. Straskraba	14.	what kind of access points do you know?
Mr. benking	15.	yes access and assimilation ! as acess is not enough
Ms. Zaher	16.	technology access seems to be the key obstacle that many have to face
Mr. Straskraba	17.	how are people in the rural area affected?
Ms. Kolbe	18.	not directly, I'm active in te field of education and training within AEGEE (European students forum), where a lot of communication, knowledge transfer and information is done via internet and online databases
Mr. Nahrada	19.	telecottage versus community learning center?
Mr. Straskraba	20.	ms. kolbe: that�s great to hear, i think especially students are granted access to information - for free
Mr. Nahrada	21.	guided learning versus self learning?
Mr. Nahrada	22.	informal versus formal education?
Mr. Straskraba	23.	mr. nahrada: exactly- there must be people in my opinion who show you where to find what ...
Ms. Kolbe	24.	yes, but not enough yet, especially when you leave western Europe and turn to the Balkans, Caucasus, etc.
Mr. Straskraba	25.	i think global learning is esp. informal learning, isn�t it - at least so far
Mr. Nahrada	26.	guided self learning ;-)
Mr. Straskraba	27.	ms. kolbe: what do you think do people in the south need?
Ms. Zaher	28.	i agree...global learning tends to be informal learning...i've been heavily influenced by guided learning in the online environment
Mr. Straskraba	29.	guided self learning, EXACTLY!
Ms. Kolbe	30.	I absolutely agree
Mr. Nahrada	31.	is there a chance in redefining educational institutions in the age of global learning tools? especially in eastern europe etc?
Mr. Straskraba	32.	so are there any models you know who could be considered as best practice?
Mr. Straskraba	33.	mr. nahrada: i think so .. but it all depends on the big players i guess .. are they commited?
Mr. Straskraba	34.	in my opinion - which is of course westernized - people do have access but they don�t know what to access .. u agree?
Mr. Straskraba	35.	and in the southern hemisphere people have rare access but they DO know what kind of learning they need
Mr. Straskraba	36.	what is your experience in AGEE ms. kolbe?
Ms. Kolbe	37.	Yes for most of the people, I agree... there is a very small circle of privileged people who know what to get and where
Mr. Nahrada	38.	32: do we need big players? for example: there was just formation of EUTA, European Union of Telecottage Associations in Europe: they have an istalled base of almost 700 or so telecottages in Eastern Europe
Mr. Straskraba	39.	ms. kolbe: have you been to animafac eurocampus?
Ms. Kolbe	40.	AEGEE is a quite unique association in terms of IT usage. Most of the members know or learned how to use IT tools to inform themselves, as it helps a lot communication and cooperation within the association
Mr. Straskraba	41.	mr. nahrada: that is an excellent network of grass roots access points .. i think that is one of the best ways to achieve sustainable development
Ms. Kolbe	42.	personally I have not been to animafac, but as far as I know the secretary general of AEGEE-Europe has been there
Mr. Nahrada	43.	but are they aware what global learning means? that is the point...
Mr. Straskraba	44.	ms. kolbe: so would you say that the development of a "knowledge based society" is taking place by itself?
Mr. Straskraba	45.	mr. nahrada: do you see a way to integrate those 2 things .. euta & global learning?
Mr. Straskraba	46.	well ok, i think we might have a look at another session? but please send me an email about your experience .. laurent@straskraba.net. ok?
Ms. Kolbe	47.	no, knowledge based society is only happening for some specifically interested people at the moment, it has to be pushed and people need to be informed more
Mr. Nahrada	48.	45 we will try to meet in Vienna next week on that subject...
Mr. Straskraba	49.	ms. kolbe: u got ideas who the people initializing the process might be?
Ms. Kolbe	50.	well, as I come from the students world, I believe it is up to the young generation to spread the word, to those people who are already involved to share their experience
Mr. Straskraba	51.	ms. kolbe: i agree
Mr. Straskraba	52.	but how long will this take?
Mr. Straskraba	53.	so there have to be some initiatives i think
Mr. Straskraba	54.	would you be interested to support such an initiative?
Mr. Straskraba	55.	hello!
Ms. Kolbe	56.	yes, definately i would be interested
Mr. Straskraba	57.	may i ask you for your name ... we have difficulties with the codes
Mr. Straskraba	58.	ms. kolbe: ok, let�s get into contact about that.
Ms. Kolbe	59.	Natalie Kolbe, natalie.kolbe@aegee.org
Mr. Straskraba	60.	ms. kolbe: have you already had ideas about such initiatives?
Ms. Kolbe	61.	personaly not really yet, but I know that within my asociation they are some people already involved, so I would like to consult them for cooperation as well
Mr. Straskraba	62.	mr. macbryde: do you work in related fields?
Mr. Straskraba	63.	ms. kolbe: do you know any initiative - i.e. in the south - that seems to be a best practice model?
Ms. Kolbe	64.	do you mean southern europe? What I know is not explicitely initiatives about global learning but more about mutual understanding
Mr. Straskraba	65.	would you like to join me for session 8?
Mr. Straskraba	66.	ms. kolbe: let�s continue talking about this via mail, ok
Ms. Kolbe	67.	ok
Mr. Straskraba	68.	thx
Ms. Kolbe	69.	let's change sessions
Mr. Straskraba	70.	i�ll switch to session 8


Issue	3:

"how can we teach an international group considering the cultural differences and ways of learning"

Ms. Lohmann	1.	i study in an multi-national college in London.
Ms. Kolbe	2.	Hello every one
Ms. Kolbe	3.	great ms Lohman, maybe you can tell us about your expereince
Ms. Lohmann	4.	it's excellent- so many different cultures and werever i travel i seem to have contacts to the place
Ms. Morton-Marr	5.	Hallo: People understand each other through the performing arts.
Ms. de Silvio	6.	Hello guys... I'm Uir� from Brasil
Ms. Lohmann	7.	hey- brazil...
Ms. Kolbe	8.	does anyone else have experience in intercultural teaching/learning?
Ms. Lohmann	9.	ok- one problem is the language- multinational learning can only be achieved if people speak the same language
Ms. de Silvio	10.	I think the prejudice a big problem in the integration of the nations
Ms. Kolbe	11.	so you are suggesting, that the first step would be trying to understand the other?
Mr. �v�?�?	12.	Hi everyone -
Ms. Lohmann	13.	to 11- i agree completely- this could be done by placing students in a communal setting, e.g. a campus with a close social network
Ms. Kreuter	14.	I am working in the context of internationale professional training-joung people are sent for a working period abroad - a chance for those who do not have many intercultural experiences
Mr. �v�?�?	15.	I'm from Africa -(South Africa/Zimbabwe) - currently in United States - I feel that one of the biggest problems is wide spread ignorance of other people and their cultures and basically the way others live their lives on a daily basis!
Ms. Lohmann	16.	adding to 13- the emphasis should not necessarily be on academic performance, but on developing interpersonal communication skills
Mr. Schneider	17.	how about finding out about the similarities not the differences (we have more similarities than differences, everyday life, dreams , hopes, all the CENTRAL THINGS, even the 12 bottom line ETHICAL VALUES are shared by all cultures / people on the planet (living values project, 300,000+ submissions)
Ms. Lohmann	18.	could you elaborate on the 12 bottom line values
Ms. Kolbe	19.	I think it is also important to look at the differences, tolerate and understand them, as they are often the cause of conflicts
Mr. �v�?�?	20.	I know that at high school and college level there are exchange programs but there is a need to extend those efforts and make information more widely available
Ms. Lohmann	21.	the similarities and differences will come out anyway- there should be a common topic to work with and the contact will bring the understanding of the different cultures
Ms. Kolbe	22.	Do you think there are clear boarders to interculural teaching/learning?
Ms. Lohmann	23.	what exactly do you mean?
Mr. �v�?�?	24.	I feel that a way to promote cultural understanding is to integrate cultural education early-on in child-hood education before people have had the chance to form prejudices that may be difficult to erase
Mr. Henkel	25.	Finding out about similarities seems to be the way. When some trust between partners has grown we can talk about differences also (always according to a limited subject area). And this will lead to changes in thought and behavior.
Ms. Kolbe	26.	ok, a clear example, I'm a trainer in the fields of NGO management, when teaching about Fund Raising for examples, we often face the problem that there are completely different approches in the Netherlands or in Poland for example
Ms. Kolbe	27.	also the teaching styles are different: northern Europeans prefer the "professional, cool" style, southern Europeans the more "warmer, friendly" approach"
Ms. Lohmann	28.	to 26- these differences should be examined and a record exchanged to spark off understanding and new ideas in the participating nations- the record should also be presented to gov't officials to show that something is happening- establishing ngo's as innovators
Ms. Kolbe	29.	Do you think this is an obstacle to intercultural learning? If no - how do you think this should be handeled?
Ms. de Silvio	30.	Until the united states help some types of prejudice. For example, the islamic prejudice.
Ms. Morton-Marr	31.	There is a need for a global language. I think the young people have developed a computer language that may overcome language. What about Ido?
Ms. Lohmann	32.	to 31- if the language is global- is there also an interest in global affairs?
Ms. Morton-Marr	33.	The word 'tolerance' , I don't like using it, I would prefer friendship.
Ms. Lohmann	34.	to 24- i find starting early essential. this could be promoted by multi-lingual teaching to enable students to make their own contacts, also outside of school
Ms. Kreuter	35.	to 25 and 26 I agree: all understanding starts with a certain common experience: living, working, singing together. a chance to meet. then the differerences should not be ignored - otherwise nothing is learned by coming together. to 24 yes - as early as possible.
Ms. Kreuter	36.	28-good idea
Ms. Kolbe	37.	Is there a global way of teaching? e.g. can we reach everyone by a certain teaching style?
Ms. Lohmann	38.	to 37- empathy and involvement, also a sense of a culture's place and history embedded in the world would be a good place to start
Mr. Henkel	39.	Teaching style again depends on the very culture of a region. I think it will take a while to 'harmonize' teaching styles.
Mr. Schneider	40.	to 33: i like appreciation better than tolerance
Ms. Herrlich	41.	if people children can choose their favorite subject first and their individual way of learning, we could reach many, hi
Ms. Morton-Marr	42.	Ms. Lohmann, ofcourse we must teach and understanding in global affairs. However there is so much pain invovled at present that we need a paradigm shift in our joint education. This is not to dismiss the problems, but we need to study the problems and invent new ways of solving them. Humans have made and are still making such a mess of the earth, it is time for all of us to improve.
Mr. Schneider	43.	21 - it depends very much on what content we deal with to focus on similarities, when we talk about cultures in school theory.
Mr. MacBryde	44.	On inter-cultural learning, language and music ..anyone have experience, examples of schools using music in the internet? Certainly has been a lot of file sharing , and copywrite problems, but there would seem to be a potential in non-linguistic sharing , cultural exchanges
Ms. Herrlich	45.	international groups can easily learn from each other when each group can share their own ways how they do things
Ms. Herrlich	46.	no copyright problems
Ms. Lohmann	47.	to 42- i understand your concerns, but think that empathy exists everywhere- it just needs to be encouraged. developing responsibility out of a sense of history will lead to more sustainable development
Mr. Schneider	48.	18 - the values are love, respect, cooperation and the likes... as these "simple" ethical values are often talked down in european societies in a recent study, german pupils (though scorned as materialistic etc. blabla) said the most important value to them is trust, honesty, ... and that hopefully they some day find somebody who listens to them
Mr. Lohmann	49.	45 like a contest in problem-solving?
Ms. Lohmann	50.	to 44- art is a good means to establish a contact.
Ms. Herrlich	51.	Hr. Schneider, how can we arrange for children to be listened to?
Mr. Lohmann	52.	Hello sister again.You impress me again and again...
Mr. Schneider	53.	44 - why dont we have pupils produce music and songs themselves. traditional songs have no copyright, and it would be tremendus resource for intercultural education to have a website (online magazine) that features traditional songs performed by youth in audio and video and text, ... just imagine every 200+ countires posted only ONE, or all 5,000+ languages posted only ONE.
Ms. Lohmann	54.	i am me and gero-
Ms. Toribio	55.	What about Musicals? Peace Child did for 10 years musicals between russian and US children, during the Cold War, to press in the adults and show them that young people want peace
Ms. Toribio	56.	the musical was done entirely for children
Ms. de Silvio	57.	53 - good idea
Ms. Toribio	58.	and they develop most parts of the script
Mr. Schneider	59.	what about theater ? CONFLICT SOLVING THEATER as presented by the bahai at expo2000 is very succesful in russia...
Ms. Lohmann	60.	mr. schneider- good idea
Ms. Herrlich	61.	how can we encourage children to do their own thing and show what they have got for us?
Ms. de Silvio	62.	theater is other good idea. But music is the universal language
Ms. de Silvio	63.	the images too
Ms. Herrlich	64.	and colours
Mr. Schneider	65.	to 51... listening to children... have youth parliaments, and have them go to the mayor and do public events in cooperation with e.g. sustainability NGOs, there are many interesting youth groups doing that... we can learn from the new democratic movement in the USA www.moveon.org
Ms. Lohmann	66.	to 61- provide them with communication tools and forums
Mr. Schneider	67.	oh, you are speaking of internet ?
Mr. Schneider	68.	(sorry kust joking as you are always pushing for the REAL LIFE
Ms. Toribio	69.	61- to encourage children to talk we should provide then with spaces to talk, inside the school. There should be encourages young proposal in the school and in the districts/councils
Ms. Kreuter	70.	to 59: we should do more like this! some teachers are very good in this
Ms. Lohmann	71.	nice one...
Ms. de Silvio	72.	just remember, I'm 14.
Ms. Kolbe	73.	to 65 also AEGEE www.aegee.org is a students organisation promoting peace, mutual understanding and cooperation
Mr. Schneider	74.	to 66. i love the idea of children doing a local event , performance, project, and present it in an online environmment, in wich their project is arranged in the visual context of peers# solutions from dozens of countries
Mr. Schneider	75.	de silvio, I am glad and grateful to have you with us!
Mr. Schneider	76.	so what are you doing in all this regard ?
Ms. Kolbe	77.	What about the older generations - is there also a way to educate them in an intercultural context?
Mr. Henkel	78.	How about an international theatre project using the internet. People from various countries and regions record scenes that are put together to a whole piece, which could be on one of the most important topics of today. Maybe about the use of drinking water.
Ms. de Silvio	79.	the youth voluntier is a good form of integrate the peaple
Ms. Herrlich	80.	to 69, like your idea, lets create spaces at schools
Ms. Lohmann	81.	mr henkel, that is a good idea, would be great to watch it, too...
Mr. Schneider	82.	how do you feel about empowerment, havninng your voice heard in school or public, have you experienced solutions ? are we OLD PEOPLE off the point with what we think the YOUNG WANT AND NEED ?
Ms. Toribio	83.	the older generations can be educated though their own children, who better than them to 're-educate' them?
Mr. Schneider	84.	right
Mr. Schneider	85.	I find it very important to stress . also in general argumentation - that the YOUNG still have a more holistic view for the right priorities: life, peace, nature...
Ms. Lohmann	86.	how to make them keep it is the question
Mr. Schneider	87.	ethical value education
Ms. Kreuter	88.	to 77: old people could do a lot in their quarter - they know a lot, many are motivated to help and -- to listen. This chance should be used!
Mr. Henkel	89.	Could somebody please take notes of all the great ideas mentioned here and send them to all of us. Maybe we could start a forum to realize some of the ideas. This way this conference would have a deep impact on our future work.
Mr. Schneider	90.	traditional cultures know how to keep it, by putting KIDS in educational experiences nurturing those values and feeling them INSIDE FROM THE HEART not just from the MIND
Ms. de Silvio	91.	yes. In this year, many Interact Clubs join to do a peace project. Childrens of 3 and 4 grade draw about the war, and this was send to United Nation and a Rotary of Palestine
Mr. Schneider	92.	mr. henkel. ALL will be available for PRINT OUT immediately after conference
Mr. Schneider	93.	great he ?


Issue	4:

"what can culture be and contribute towards a positive future"

Mr. Lohmann	1.	Hello, everybody.
Mr. Nahrada	2.	hello
Ms. Kolbe	3.	hello :)
Mr. Straskraba	4.	hi folks
Mr. Straskraba	5.	shout out goes to my buddy franz ;)
Mr. Lohmann	6.	I�m Joy and it�s my first online conference ;-)
Mr. Eilts	7.	good evening!
Ms. Kolbe	8.	my first question would be if we can narrow down "future" as it is extremly wide
Mr. Straskraba	9.	hi joy! eric told me a little about your work (expo)
Ms. Hauben	10.	i wonder if the person who raised this topic can say more what you are asking
Mr. Eilts	11.	that will help us a lot!
Mr. Lohmann	12.	Good question: I would say, we need a healthy nature in future and people should be free in mind and spirit everywhere.
Mr. Straskraba	13.	agree
Ms. Hauben	14.	it seems the internet makes possible a much broader culture
Mr. benking	15.	hi its me, Heiner good evening
Ms. Morton-Marr	16.	Hi Heiner, good afternoon
Ms. Kolbe	17.	I would say internet makes different cultures more accessible
Mr. Lohmann	18.	Sorry, I just jumped in myself into this conference... I�m working with culture since a couple of years to illuminate a positive future, to inspire people to ACT. What about you, do you have experience yourself with culture?
Ms. Hauben	19.	a culture that is like Margaret Mead pointed out is more like having an orchestra with manz
Mr. Dirk	20.	hey all! what is culture, how can we define it?
Ms. Hauben	21.	different instruments
Mr. benking	22.	great Julia - I am thinking back to Toronto and Ken with good rememberances !
Mr. Nahrada	23.	It seems the question raised by Mr. Lohmann is about the specific nature of culture. Is "everything" culture?
Ms. Kolbe	24.	I've been workin g in an european students organisation for 6 years - cooperating and working together with different people of different cultures....
Mr. Straskraba	25.	i lost connection.... :(
Mr. benking	26.	culture? is the thing allowing variety - so we can learn much from nature and ecology - not just resilience !
Mr. Dirk	27.	welcome back then!
Ms. Malloy	28.	Yes what is culture. I always think of it as something like a yogurt culture - a medium in which we all can grow, create and change. But many others say it is music, and dance and art..........
Ms. Hauben	29.	I wonder how the question relates to the Internet and its capability
Ms. Kolbe	30.	... what is culture? This question can be discussed on itself for several days ;-)
Mr. Straskraba	31.	to me culture is the way we behave without thinking about it.
Ms. Kolbe	32.	but manybe everyone of us should give a short statement so we all know what we are talking about
Mr. Henkel	33.	Culture - what is it? I think it is was makes every people and person in the world special. Culture contains potential for others to develop in a positive way.
Mr. Dirk	34.	but maybe this is necessary in order to discuss how culture can contribute towards a positive future?
Mr. Nahrada	35.	culture could be the common ground that we create for our actions. In this respect culture is a set of tools and prerequisites.
Ms. Kolbe	36.	for me culture is a part of the environment you live in, but also which influences your life
Mr. Straskraba	37.	it�s very much the 70-80% of an iceberg below water. it�s there but usually we don�t see it - until we begin to dive
Ms. Malloy	38.	The internet is a culture of its own within a larger culture.
Ms. Morton-Marr	39.	Toronto has over 100 nationalities with a diversity of cultures living here. The International School Peace Gardens www.ihtec.on.ca encourages the diversity of cultures participating together in friendship.. Charles Darwin said the global survival depends on all cultures and diversity of species continuing.
Mr. Straskraba	40.	yep, mr. nahrada i fully agree with you :)
Ms. Hauben	41.	Culture can be defined narrowly or it can be defined broadly.
Ms. Hauben	42.	The broad definition is toward a global culture where all different cultures participate like the orchestra is made up of many different instruments. A narrow culture is more like one instrument.
Mr. Lohmann	43.	Do you think, there is something like a "global culture"?
Ms. Hauben	44.	yes i do think there is something like a global culture.
Mr. Straskraba	45.	ms. morton-marr: is it legal to teach darwin in canada? i heard of the usa that theory of evolution is not welcome
Mr. Eilts	46.	I think, culture really is everything in life, giving, creating, loving, seeing things and feeling the enviroment.
Mr. Dirk	47.	if there is some global culture i think it changes from everybodies point of view
Ms. Kolbe	48.	getting more into the topic, I believe a diversity of cultures, in combination with understanding and tolerance can contribute towards a positive culture
Ms. Hauben	49.	This is the experience I have had on the Internet in the early 1990's before the privatization and commercialization took place.
Mr. Straskraba	50.	mr. eilts: yes, i thinks it�s the way we TICK ;)
Ms. Morton-Marr	51.	Mr. Straskraba, Yes
Mr. Eilts	52.	Thanks for feeling my TICK!
Mr. Dirk	53.	mr eilts, i agree
Mr. Straskraba	54.	hehe
Mr. Eilts	55.	whats this, a new workshop-group, the online-space-open?
Mr. Henkel	56.	But yet there is the question what and how can culture contribute. Could we have a few examples, please?
Ms. Kolbe	57.	how to get this understanding and tolerance? through intensive communication and contact
Mr. Straskraba	58.	so we see people are ticking differently in different places. so there is diversity - or is it chaos? ironic
Mr. Lohmann	59.	Is there maybe someone online, who works in or with a internetbased cultural interchange portal ?
Mr. benking	60.	Mr. Straskraba wrote: it�s very much the 70-80% of an iceberg below water. it�s there but usually we don�t see it - until we begin to dive - yes - but why is not anyone trying to dive and fly - adding a third dimension
Mr. Straskraba	61.	mr. henkel: i.e. the way we say "hello" to each other is part of our culture. we could also just start writing without greeting ... =)
Mr. Eilts	62.	I would like to know, what this means, mr. lohmann, an internetbased cultural interchange portal?
Mr. Schneider	63.	http://www.cafeweltgeist.org/en_htdocs/en_21stcentury_eduplatform.html
Mr. Straskraba	64.	ms. kolbe: i fully agree.. one has to expose oneself to other cultures to understand them - and find out what to like or dislike about it
Mr. Straskraba	65.	mr. lohman: i do
Mr. Eilts	66.	I will start this next!
Mr. Auditor	67.	Hallo! I think, looking for a common definition of culture is impossible because definitions depend on the culture of the people who are looking for this definition. Another problem of "culture", i think, ist that it determinate people.
Mr. Straskraba	68.	mr. lohman: i�m part of some on- and off-line communities
Mr. Lohmann	69.	An example, ok. we at positive nett-works created the future-raft for the world fair EXPO 2000 as a symbol for a transformation of values. see www.future-raft.net This was a art piece and a floating platform for meetings and conferences.
Mr. Schneider	70.	http://www.cafeweltgeist.org/en_htdocs/en_21stcentury_eduplatform.html is being prepared as an INTERCULTURAL EDUCATION platform in which we widen intercultural education and ethical values education to traditional cultures, AND HAVE TRADITIONAL communities and youth / schools participate in presenting their culture in various aspects as indicated on the imagemap here http://www.cafeweltgeist.org/kulturportal/kp2_portal_northamerica600.html.
Mr. Dirk	71.	Mr Lohmann, how was the reaction of the visitors?
Mr. Straskraba	72.	mr. auditor: i can�t agree ... there is a basic concept of culture that we could find common ground on. it�s not individual but COMMON behaviour
Mr. Lohmann	73.	We got that much attention, interest and contacts to "positive people" through art.
Mr. Straskraba	74.	@all: can we agree that culture is represented in common behaviour? i.e. greeting, eating, or other manners?
Ms. Kolbe	75.	common behaviour of a certain group of people yes, but not globaly
Mr. Lohmann	76.	The visitors were irritated at first sight - did I mention, it was a recycling raft. made completly out or transformed junk. It was marvellous. And tht�s what the visitors recognized and what gave them back a smile.
Mr. Eilts	77.	I think so!
Mr. Straskraba	78.	ms. kolbe: sure
Mr. benking	79.	common behaviour and common frameworks or (mental) models
Ms. Kolbe	80.	then I agree :)
Mr. Auditor	81.	This is the problem, if culture in a common behaviour. because this is determinating people to the culture they are restricted to. So I am German but I mustn't make part of german culture.
Mr. Straskraba	82.	mr. benking: i agree
Mr. Straskraba	83.	hello heiner btw ;=)
Mr. Schneider	84.	to 67: CULTURE is hard to determine today for industrial nation people, but more eaysy for the traditional people. from their perspective it is more about WORLDVIEW, ensuing thinking and priorities, that is ETHICAL VALUES and this means DECISION MAKING. If we see CULTURE that way as a CULTURE OF THE MIND :-) then the behaviour of the modern world (whihch ist the main trouble that we are trying to stop) has to look for deeper roots, ... and from this ethical perspective as a mountaintop to evaluate things, we might stop thinking of any kind of impression as being "culture" (but rather small expressions of the inner culture of a society (soul, mind, ethics, values).
Mr. Schneider	85.	CUlture to the Lakotah Indian: "All honourable people belong to the same tribe"
Mr. Straskraba	86.	mr. auditor: that�s true also. but don�t u shake hands with people who are introduced to you in real life?
Mr. Schneider	87.	concerning belonging to a certain idea / illusion of culture determined by geographic lines or national symbols (propaganda)
Mr. Lohmann	88.	OK thank you Mr. Schneider. Now we know about what culture could be meant.
Mr. Schneider	89.	:-)
Ms. Kolbe	90.	should we get back to the initial topic?
Mr. Straskraba	91.	mr. schneider: eric, i fully agree with worldview and deciscion making. and it�s all a matter of the mind .. but let�s get more to practics if possible .. i guess we all got access to a shelf on theory ;)
Mr. Lohmann	92.	Yes, why not.
Ms. Kolbe	93.	as I said before, I think the understanding of different cultures is the cruicial point of shaping the future. Our society has more and more possibilities of information. It is important that this information is used in a productive way
Mr. Straskraba	94.	so may i raise the question: who of us in here does shake hands with people being introduced to him at formal occasions (assuming everyone _has_ hands) ;)
Mr. Straskraba	95.	to 94: i do
Mr. Lohmann	96.	I posed this topic because I think that cultural projects can be very powerful instruments for futureshaping and towards a global conciousness to save our planet, to live together without wars, to grow together within a social community.
Mr. Straskraba	97.	ms. kolbe: i�m completely with you!
Ms. Kolbe	98.	I fully agree
Mr. Nahrada	99.	we had a conference here: the unifying aspects of culture. there was an interesting thesis about unity and diversity. we can neither go for unity without diversity ; nor can we go to simple diversity without unity. are different culture different ways of seeking and finding truth?
Mr. Straskraba	100.	mr. lohmann: thanks a lot for this topic, i think it�s very necessary to EXPERIANCE cultural diversity and understanding
Mr. Lohmann	101.	And I think this is exactly what happens here.
Mr. benking	102.	maybe being aware of other ways to see and share - and be tolerant for the other position and perspective.
Mr. Lohmann	103.	So where are you all at this moment?
Mr. Lohmann	104.	I�m in Hannover, it�s 6 PM
Mr. Lohmann	105.	Germany of course.
Mr. benking	106.	good question ! physically or mentally?
Mr. Nahrada	107.	vienna
Ms. Kolbe	108.	Bremen
Mr. Straskraba	109.	mr. nahrada: not implicitly, the quest for truth is not necessarily included. for some cultures it�s just sufficent to survive
Mr. Lohmann	110.	Heiner you both please
Mr. benking	111.	berlin
Mr. Auditor	112.	We are discussing now many time about "culture"definition less time about a positive future. I think the second part is more interesting. And I think it is important to look together for solving future problems independent on the culture of everybody. If I know a new person, I am interested in this person, in his capacities, creativity and so on.
Mr. Straskraba	113.	mr. lohmann: i�m in linz/austria, 18.46 CET
Mr. Nahrada	114.	Mr. straskraba: maybe truth is not so far from "mode of survival" ?
Mr. Straskraba	115.	mr. auditor: thanks for this comment but i think it was necessary and benefiting - at least for some of this group
Mr. Straskraba	116.	mr. nahrada: i leave it to the gods to decide this ;)
Mr. Straskraba	117.	so what can culture (~worldview, decision making, behaviour, etc.) contribute to a better future?
Mr. Straskraba	118.	in my opinion the understanding of different cultures can help to live together more peaceful
Mr. Straskraba	119.	ly
Mr. Lohmann	120.	Culture is various futures.
Mr. Nahrada	121.	a large set of modes and methods that can help in specific cases; a large repository of solutions
Mr. Lohmann	122.	thats it
Mr. Straskraba	123.	mr. lohmann: yes, agree .. but culture is also something flowing not static - at least to some extent
Ms. Malloy	124.	in answer to 117 - different unique perspectives that all have value and potential for providing solutions to existing problems
Ms. Zaher	125.	the understanding of different cultures can allow people to reflect on their own cultural notions and make decisions based on, as mr. nahrada said, a large repository of solutions


Issue	5:

"How can we involve more school subjects than foreign language teaching in global learning?"

Mr. Schneider	1.	well, in what subjects do they treat water and human rights issues ? it appears to me that sociology and their ind are the right subject
Mr. Schneider	2.	there have been voices asking for a specific subject: sustainability / Global Learning. Do egional competentces of schools allow for individual schools to introduce this if the colleagues agree on it ? A UNESCO school in Hannover has a school parliament, in which the students and parents forced the teachers to include current news items in the classes (sociology) although the teacher had not wanted to !
Mr. Henkel	3.	I would like to involve subjects such as Geography, History, Politics, Natural Sciences, Religion, even Music and Arts. How can we involve them meaningfully?
Ms. Toribio	4.	i've just enter to the chats, but my thought is that teacherscan teach children about another country: a developing country e.g, and use its different topics to do this. E.g.: You teach in History about peruvian history in paralell to yours. In natural sciences, relating it with a different iodiversity
Mr. Schneider	5.	Why is it so hard to establish more democratic participation in schools ? there are so many schools that are practicing it succesfully. we have all the arguments with us: to qualify for the co-creation of a free democratic society... that has to be learned... today, the statesmen are calling for participation, civic engagement etc...
Ms. Toribio	6.	and that can be done with different countries
Mr. Henkel	7.	How can we overcome the bonds and borders of traditional subjects and school lessons, though?
Mr. Schneider	8.	to 3) It would go to far to describe various means of involving the subjects of post 3, but we do have a lot of ideas how this can be done. we should meet again to discuss this when we have more time.
Mr. Auditor	9.	I think the most important is to change the kind of teaching. There are yet many contents and themes at school that are about global learning. But it's important to change perspectives of view.
Mr. Schneider	10.	one tool for us can be a collection of best practice projects that we all know of that we COMPLETE in a mailing after the conference. That ist will give us answers to the questions.
Mr. Schneider	11.	to 9)
Ms. Toribio	12.	to teach the concepts is not the difficult thing, the thing is to relate them with the reality, so children see how they really affect their live. Then, they need many examples, but not of how affect to other adults, but to other children or youngsters like themselves
Mr. Auditor	13.	So I understand Global Learning more as a new method of teaching and less as new contents. The contens must be the contents of pupils reality.
Mr. Schneider	14.	i agree. it is the FORMAT (group work, etc) that will allow more creative participation (Offener Unterricht , group and project work etc.)
Mr. Schneider	15.	Pupile sreality is true, BUT THAT IS NEW!
Mr. Henkel	16.	Hr. Auditor, I agree with you.
Ms. Lohmann	17.	i think there should be much stronger international connections between schools, that allow for a wider exchange. student exchanges should be encouraged- maybe even compulsory
Mr. Auditor	18.	Mr Schneider, how do you understand "new"?
Ms. Lohmann	19.	living in a foreign country is an invaluable step towards understanding different cultures and gaining new perspectives as well as understanding your own culture
Mr. Schneider	20.	I believe PROJECT WEEKS should be used more for such activities: youth expo 200x, and exporing "Future Scenarios"exploring many differetnt facets of global learning: problems, data, solutions, international and intercultural communication - imagine a theatre piece "Show of the Century (looking back at the century from the year 2100)
Ms. Toribio	21.	to 17... And why not connect schools betwen developed and developing countries, so children can learn a lor about what's happening in the world. This is related directly with Citizenship and others
Mr. Schneider	22.	Mr. Auditor, it is new that we include the world beyond the school fence instead of just theory work on books
Ms. Lohmann	23.	to 21- that would be fantastic- and it would generate an entirely different set of values
Mr. Schneider	24.	INternational networking between schools should be done more, the internet is a great means to do so,
Mr. Schneider	25.	M Toribo: does it work to initiate community sustainable cooperation partnerships by schools and youth groups ?
Ms. Lohmann	26.	to 24- i think the contact has to be real life- face to face but it could be initiated online
Mr. Schneider	27.	initiated online, getting to know each other, some go there on their holidays and report...
Ms. Toribio	28.	we have few examples, but it has worked...
Ms. Lohmann	29.	why not live there for six months to a year?
Ms. Toribio	30.	there is a school in Millbrook, UK, that has work with another one in Lima, Peru, to develop a project e.g
Mr. Auditor	31.	So, if we suppose, that Global Learning is the method to introduce the pupils reality in the centre of the school activities, they can observe on themselves, how global the world is and understanding the interdepences.
Ms. Lohmann	32.	in this time students learn more about life than at home-
Mr. Schneider	33.	a nice example is to send photo camera to communities in africa, as intercultural education... the kids took pictures and it started a long term newspaper between the communities, also travels between the communities (not as tourists, but as friends ... still the U.S visitors pay money into the community fund , as it IS the best HOliday for them )
Ms. Toribio	34.	also, here in Peace Child we go to schools to present Sustainable development, and then do a workshop than involves the reality of other country, to relate the concepts of Sust. Dev.
Ms. Lohmann	35.	Ms toribio- how did it work at this school in millbrook? was it a long term exchange?
Mr. Auditor	36.	Exchange is very good, especially face to face. but who of the worlds pupils have access to it. Isn't it a privilige to developped countries?
Ms. Toribio	37.	to 31... exactly sir
Mr. Henkel	38.	As I said before, I think we should intensify global learning by using different channels: 1. using IT communication; 2. exchanging students and 3. working on different projects with students from other countries. Our school has done that for a number of years. This will include numbers of subjects.
Mr. Auditor	39.	The same problem with online-acess!
Mr. Schneider	40.	thats is right. I believe we have to establish internet contact, and have some developing kids travel there, and initiate community cooperation between e.g. europe / latin america
Ms. Toribio	41.	and even if there is no possible to travel, as can be so expensive. Children can send between them letters and pictures, even a video
Mr. Henkel	42.	to 36: Our school has also exchanged students with poorer Eastern European countries and even with Tansania. Sometimes Comenius by the EU or the UNESCO can support such programs.
Ms. Lohmann	43.	to 36- the people who have access are the ones who can be encouraged to shape future relations and back them up with economic development. one should use one's potential to best advantage
Mr. Schneider	44.	imagine the children create a large exhibition about their home culture and send it oto their international peers . this can be done in almost any subject. then they receive the peers' materials and make a 5 meter exhibition in their school, including audio and video.. this can be continued by a project group of vlunteers etc.
Mr. Henkel	45.	Good idea, Mr. Schneider.
Ms. Toribio	46.	children in Europe can learn about India, Peru, Kenya e.g. and the kids in these countries more about a country in Europe. So you have here Interculturality, you have citizenship, etc...
Mr. Schneider	47.	Thank you, it dates back to 2000,
Mr. Auditor	48.	All the suggestions are very good and nice. But I think we have to think about the aspect, that the majority of childs have no acesse to good foods and so on. What is with them. Isn't the "Global Dialogue" an exclusive dialogue? And who is defining the conditions of this dialogue. Who is giving the possibilities of acess?
Mr. Schneider	49.	Mr. Henkel, now imagine we have that exhibition virtualized by some support (there are many ways) and collect them all ONLINE ... that makes a magnificient world youth culture exhibition... which can always be explored and updated etc. this way the kids become eyh others' inetrcultural teacher.
Ms. Lohmann	50.	if it's just online it'll be exclusive by definition....
Mr. Schneider	51.	to 48:
Ms. Toribio	52.	48- it's true, BUT, the point is then that is possible to initialise links between schools in Europe with young people in the developing countries that are doing projects in their communities, to learn about their realities and SUPPORT them in activities, like funding, like help them to sell their products, etc
Mr. Schneider	53.	if we establish an international communication ACCESS, this will enable many dedicated youth and local groups to INITIATE community partnerships. We are considering to bring all this together with NGO networks etc present in those developing areas in need. there are many dedicated people in europe that would like to effect pracitical help, but do ot have direct access to people (and do not like to throw their money into big NGOS mneeding most of the money for administration)
Mr. Lohmann	54.	to 49: one step further would be to create a netizen-community within and around (discussion in session 11 right now.) and that could be totally IN for kids an youth...
Ms. Toribio	55.	what do you all think about this?
Mr. Oberle	56.	#48: it will be the role of politics to give each one the possibility of access. Maybe the cheapest way will be the internet
Mr. Schneider	57.	session 11 is dealing with ACCESS best practices...
Ms. Lohmann	58.	i would emphasise the exchange idea. it fosters a personal sense of responsibility towards oneself and the people one stays with. it could be the start of a long term engagement with different cultures towards a positive future
Mr. Schneider	59.	how about: 1. communication , 2. travel there in holiday b�visit, 3. establish grassroots community partnership 4. go there as volunteer (after high scholl is finished)
Mr. Schneider	60.	addition to 59: because the first thing is ACCESS: that means a n accesible BRIDGE to that place to SUPPORT and TRAVEL to for personal growth
Ms. Lohmann	61.	to 59- that would work I think
Ms. Toribio	62.	but WHY to wait that the student finish high school to establish a close realtion with another reality?
Mr. Henkel	63.	to 58: Fr. Lohmann, I strongly agree with you.
Mr. Schneider	64.	no, this refers to going there as a VOLUNTEER for LONG TERM exoperience
Mr. Schneider	65.	(64 refers to 62)
Mr. Henkel	66.	to 59: Hr. Schneider, very good idea, also. How could we ralize that on a broader scale involving more schools?
Ms. Toribio	67.	ok.
Ms. Toribio	68.	and what about establishing connections since children are in primary (from 8 or 9 to up)?
Ms. Lohmann	69.	well, there are exchange programs that last for a year during school- maybe the student who goes there should have access to distance learning facilities
Ms. Toribio	70.	I believe that the connections between students and other realities should start since an early stage
Mr. Schneider	71.	Toribo, I believe we have to establish ACCESS to international partners by some kinds of projects (like the exhibition i described above), or iearn learning circles www.iearn.org. but then,. WE have t provide the tools to PURSUE the communication and coooperation. (by giving a long term communication environment and by supporting with professional help, agenda related etc.) there are all the experts avalibale and many are prsetn today. I advise to check on http://www.cafeweltgeist.org/en_htdocs/en_21stcentury_eduplatform.html later, because we want to provide JUST THAT :-) with YOU !
Ms. Lohmann	72.	i think around 16 is a good age for long term exchange, old enough to understand the implications, young enough to let the influence shape them and recovering from the worst in puberty ; ))
Mr. Schneider	73.	to 70: there is anice initiative to bring the cooperation into kindergarden and primary school in berlin, they use internet and local intercultural potentials. IT is possible to enter that SCENE also, as they are all connected by associations etc. WE JUST HAVE to provide them the COMMUNICATION and CONTENT platform
Mr. Auditor	74.	Exchange programmes are very good. But - excuse me, that I am so critical - ma experience shows me that always these young who are yet worldopen are participating.
Mr. Henkel	75.	to 68: Elementary school children could start cultural exchange in the same way, only there countries should be maybe neighbor countries. This is a good start into global learning, getting always further countries into the view by starting with neighbors.
Mr. Schneider	76.	to 72. fine, for some industrials its too early. USA exchanges etc are already doing this at that age. it would be better actualls to have the kids join VOLUNTEERISM .
Ms. Lohmann	77.	to 74- the young ones could be multipliers within their peer group
Mr. Schneider	78.	YEp, it is about uniting all the different multipliers ... interdisciplinary... they all work towards the same goal, youth action, dedicated teachers, NGOS...
Mr. Auditor	79.	Yes but their peer groups are often of the same social and cultural milieu.
Ms. Lohmann	80.	to 76- why not exploit distance learning schemes fopr this
Mr. Schneider	81.	to 79: we need to give them ACCESS to the others.
Mr. Schneider	82.	to 80: there are distance learning specialists somewhere in the conference. there is a HUUUge global community i will invite to join us down the road
Ms. Toribio	83.	I'm agree... but also this could be worked in connection with local NGOs, here in Europe and in other countries, to try to narrow the gap
Mr. Henkel	84.	Does volunteerism after school necessarily mean that short term exchanges do not work? I think we should do both. Volunteerism after school can help sustainable development.
Mr. Auditor	85.	I think Global learning is an important topic for future. But we alos must be concious that it can't change society in whole.
Mr. Schneider	86.	herr henkel, dont yu include all kind of global learning themes in iearn.org HOW do you INCLUDE it in the curriculum, it seems to work fine there...
Ms. Lohmann	87.	right- if a student goes to a third world country he/she needs access to learning material- that is the biggest problem isn't it? so if you go as a volunteer, say, with 16, you could have access to a distant learning scheme from your own country but simultaniously work with the local community
Ms. Kolbe	88.	to 84 I think that short term exchanges are opening doors for voluntarism
Ms. Toribio	89.	84- Indeed it does... short and long term, although I think that the short term should be minimun 8 weeks if we want the young person that goes to have a real impact (I said this based in the organisation AIESEC, that works intercultural exchanges)
Mr. Schneider	90.	to 85: it is indeed a hole through which we can channel society changing content into schools. it depends about the quality of content and the teacher. herbert girardet said: there can be no sustaibnable societies without a profound change of ethical values...and there some excellent ethical value projects and networks spreading across the world www.livingvalues.net
Ms. Lohmann	91.	to 89 i agree


Issue	6:

"Educational Online Magazines - How can they contribute to Global Learning?"

Mr. Lohmann	1.	I think they could become a community more than a periodical information source. Maybe some of both.
Ms. Morton-Marr	2.	Education Online Magazines? What are they, do they exist at present?
Mr. Henkel	3.	They should offer opportunities for kids to engage in self determined learning by sponsoring topics they are interested in.
Mr. Lohmann	4.	The old problem: shouldn�t kids rather play with trees?
Ms. Morton-Marr	5.	Are these magazines for input or are they ideas from a set group? I don't know the answer.
Mr. Schneider	6.	we agreed in SESSION 5 that COMMUICATION with international pers has tremendous potential in initiating personal growth and the spirit of international unity and cooperation.
Mr. Lohmann	7.	I don�t know either. Hello, Mr. Dirk? What is this about?
Ms. Toribio	8.	Ther could be not just On-line magazines, but CDs magazines
Mr. Lohmann	9.	Hello, Ms. Toribo. What si peacechild about?
Ms. Toribio	10.	Peace Child is an NGO that works promoting Education for Sustainable development between young people and children, and to empower then in...
Mr. Schneider	11.	LEt ME PROVIDE A DESCRIPTION OF EDUCATIONAL ONLINE MAGAZINES: ONLINE magazines as www.exilclub.de (honored by Kofi Annan). Ts mag calls students in schools to research real life and internet for data of known EXILANTS, which are always outstanidng people whose horizon was too much for the oppressive society (= human, ethical and political education). The results are presented as WEBSITE biographies, and every groups results can be checked in the context of peers' results. this is useful for lively information, participation in creating MEDIA, and for sharing good quality project results with the wide audience (which again can use this for studies) ... and all this is CREATED BY kids , not official teachers. I believe it shows kids their great potential
Ms. Toribio	12.	taking action in their communities to change the things they do not like... like Gandhi sid: you have to be the change you want to see in the world
Mr. Lohmann	13.	So you have some virtual magazie to inform, connect, offer and present?
Ms. Toribio	14.	what we have is an e-bulletin for a network, and a partner of us has started a magazine in CDs, called Peru News for UK and UK News for Peru
Mr. Lohmann	15.	Oh thats interesting. I lived in Peru for four years...
Ms. Toribio	16.	and is to teach about the different realities in both countries, so the professor can use that material to teach their students. Also, it provides with websites that the student can use for a deep research
Mr. Lohmann	17.	What does it mean:a magazine in CDs? Do they send online-based CD-Roms?
Mr. Schneider	18.	hallo herrlohammnn
Mr. Schneider	19.	joy ?
Mr. Lohmann	20.	Hi Eric. Everything�s going?
Mr. Schneider	21.	i guess so...
Mr. Schneider	22.	so, i think the idea of online mags can still be explored more deeply, but how about checking out the other sessions
Mr. Schneider	23.	we will
Mr. Schneider	24.	be back with this later :-)


Issue	7:

"How do we eliminate the disparity of quality and content of global education"

Mr. �v�?�?	1.	My concern is with the focus on education and access to approriate resources such that the 'developing world' has equal access to opportunities as does the West.
Mr. Schneider	2.	mr straskraba will talk about that, (technology access) and cafe weltgeist is to play an imprtant part in CONTENT http://www.cafeweltgeist.org/en_htdocs/en_21stcentury_eduplatform.html
Mr. �v�?�?	3.	So what are the possible solutions to this dilemma so as to give rise to entrepreneurship, research and development that is unique to the developing worl and is for their benifit?
Ms. Hauben	4.	Why is entrepreneurship a solution? I can see that research and development can
Ms. Hauben	5.	give rise to solutions but if the focus gets on entrepreneurship, that traditionally dominates over anything else
Mr. �v�?�?	6.	The effect of the West and West styled institutions is the creation of a situation where there is no freedom to formulate creative ways of delivering education, the systems availableat present are entirely based on commerical technology which in most cases is out of the reach of most. developing countries.
Ms. Hauben	7.	i too see that as a problem. The open source movement, at one time unix, and now linux does make something available free and that is open to all. #
Ms. Hauben	8.	I have heard of experience with unix in developing countries. Have you heard anything about this?
Mr. �v�?�?	9.	entrepreneurship provides a means of funding further development and access to education - it will justify investment in education if education itself gives rise to economic development that is focused on benifiting its own society and thereafter sharing that experience with others.
Ms. Hauben	10.	but entrepreneurship makes the product proprietary or narrows the purpose to making a profit rather than providing a means of open communication
Mr. �v�?�?	11.	Sorry not familiar with the exact details - yet I do believe the open source movt. is the beginning of the provision on frameworks that will enable more diverse peoples to participate in science and technology - but with education - there also needs to more attention paid to the develpment of personalities - people with distinctive traits yet there is an ability to understand and communicate universally
Ms. Hauben	12.	interesting
Ms. Hauben	13.	There are some simple means of being online that allow people to communicate like
Ms. Hauben	14.	irc and usenet.
Mr. �v�?�?	15.	the question on enterpreneur need not translate to commercial entreprise but sustainable development - what do you think of that possiblity?
Ms. Hauben	16.	I have done a lot of study on how the internet was created and that seems more relevant to sustainable development than does entrepreneur. Education and research and development are
Ms. Hauben	17.	cooperative enterprises and they encourage communication.
Mr. �v�?�?	18.	Where issue like corporate citizenship (where companies actively invest in the communities from which they derive their profits), as well as good governance (govt social responsiblity and the promotion of equity).
Ms. Hauben	19.	interesting
Ms. Hauben	20.	But that hasn't been my experience. My experience is that one needs strong government regulation over corporations to have corporate citizens. Self regulation of corporations leads to fraud not to citizenship. A corporation has the obligation to make profit for its shareholders etc. not to produce good communication or public goods.
Mr. �v�?�?	21.	I believe that too - I am not a big fan on globallization - I donot believe it promotes the development of nations - it creates dependency and with that there will also be a dominant party - thus the need for proomotion of education (as well as content) that is determined by the needs of a particular society.
Mr. �v�?�?	22.	I agree with your sentiments - I witnessed that through Africa
Ms. Hauben	23.	Are you saying that education is the way to challenge the dependency promoted by corporate globalization?
Mr. Schneider	24.	well, globalization is o.k., but it has to be done in a life-respecting way. anything we do is part of globalization and coming together on a certain new surface of culture / communication.
Ms. Hauben	25.	And I have studied how a relatively little bit of funding for research created significant public goods in the development of the internet. I think that is a better model to learn from.
Mr. Schneider	26.	I agree that education plays a mojr role, because widened horizons and access to knowledge (gives "power" for self-determination, arguing, networking and campaigning in the accepted western democratic manner. Indigenous people for example make progress when they have learned how to handle that strange tool of judicial arguments and instruments.
Mr. �v�?�?	27.	The problem that I have with globalization is that everything is masked in economics and if it not monetarily not befinitial then there is relunctance to embark on certain intiatives - money always seems to be the focus
Mr. MacBryde	28.	Yes yes on #25 --- and the value creation of "open source" software
Mr. Schneider	29.	we sure have to be very smart to make it past the economic hindrances


Issue	8:

"How to spread the concept of netizen - of online citizen, one who participates in vital affairs"

Ms. lenser	1.	I want to welcome you to this session
Mr. Lohmann	2.	What is the concept of netizen
Ms. lenser	3.	Thanks for asking
Ms. lenser	4.	A netizen is a citizen of the internet, someone who appreciates the fact that it
Ms. Hauben	5.	is necessary to have participation to have the net be something worthwhile
Mr. Lohmann	6.	I recently got information about a art-project by some ingo günther, who lives in New York. He started www.refugee.net , a concept of a virtual nation of refugees. Is that a netizen?
Ms. Hauben	7.	i don't know about his project
Ms. Hauben	8.	but a netizen is a citizen not a refugee, it is the opposite
Ms. Hauben	9.	To make the Net something valuable it is necessary to find ways to participate with others and cooperate with others to take on the problems and contribute toward their being something valuable online.
Ms. Hauben	10.	The concept of netizen grows from the vision for the internet and for the need for a new form of global citizenship that the net can make possible.
Mr. �v�?�?	11.	Is Netizen's purpose to provide a forum for interact on issues afflicting the world and a communications tool attempting to reach solutions?
Ms. Hauben	12.	yes the netizen sees the need for a broader form of communication among people to solve the great problems of our time and tries to work to make the net into a way to provide for communication
Ms. Hauben	13.	and to spread the net and the communication to an ever broader set of people around the world
Ms. Hauben	14.	There is a url if anyone is interested and a mailing list. the url is to an online book
Ms. Hauben	15.	http://www.columbia.edu/~rh120
Mr. �v�?�?	16.	I see - there a need to get ordinary people more involves in presenting solutions to their own issues - and I see netizen as a possible empowerment tool
Mr. �v�?�?	17.	thanks for the url
Ms. Hauben	18.	yes that is indeed what the netizen is all about
Ms. Hauben	19.	there are examples of the netizens movement having such power I think
Ms. Hauben	20.	for example in South Korea where lots of online netizens took on to change who the
Ms. Zaher	21.	ms. hauben, could you share some examples?
Ms. Zaher	22.	i'm fascinated by this concept...I've never heard of it!
Ms. Hauben	23.	President is. They were able to change the presidency of that country.
Ms. Hauben	24.	Now they are watching what the president does
Ms. Zaher	25.	really? that's amazing
Ms. Zaher	26.	would you say that a group of netizens is equivalent to grassroots organizations who inspire change from within?
Ms. Hauben	27.	There is a newspaper that has developed called "Ohmynews" which welcomes netizen reporters
Ms. Hauben	28.	contributing
Ms. Hauben	29.	An interesting question Ms. Zaher. A citizen is not quite an organization in society,
Ms. Hauben	30.	rather it is part of the governing structure and needs to have the ability to participate in the decisions of that governing structure. Sovereignty should ideally be with the citizens but that is less true in most countries now, however, the net was built by encouraging online participation.
Ms. Zaher	31.	i could see netizens working together just like any other group of citizens toward one goal or another...but at the same time, i think i'm beginning to glimpse what might happen as a global group of netizens rally around a certain idea/concept/problem to be solved
Ms. Hauben	32.	actually they have done that at different times and in different ways
Ms. Hauben	33.	for example in the USA netizens from around the world fought against the Communications Decency Act that the U.S. government passed to restrict the internet and open discussion on the Internet. The CDA was defeated and netizenship won an important victory.
Mr. Lohmann	34.	Do you want to create a big netizen-community for some special purpose?
Ms. Hauben	35.	There is a netizen community. These are the people who accept responsibility to make the net a worthwhile development. If you look on Usenet you will see there are people who call themselves Netizen Michael or Netizen Bob etc.
Ms. Hauben	36.	Citizens don't get created by someone else. They participate in a way that recognizes a public
Ms. Hauben	37.	purpose and contributes to it.
Ms. Hauben	38.	There was an interesting example of netizens
Ms. Hauben	39.	In the Times of India
Ms. Zaher	40.	this causes me to think in two ways: 1. instilling in those who use the internet with the idea that they are a netizen and encouraging them to be involved and 2. to be a part in creating endeavers that are worthwhile.
Ms. Hauben	41.	There was an editorial before the U.S. war against Iraq
Ms. Zaher	42.	yes
Mr. Straskraba	43.	hello, i closed session #2 to be able to join you
Mr. Straskraba	44.	what are the ideas so far? (summed up plz)
Ms. Hauben	45.	Interesting Ms Zaher, part of the vision for the Internet was that it instill users to participate and contribute in the care and feeding of the Internet. And that such participation be welcome
Ms. Hauben	46.	Welcome Mr. Straskraba
Ms. Zaher	47.	ms. hauben-i'm assuming the following are already being utilized to spread this concept of netizen: blogs, websites, and magazines?
Ms. Hauben	48.	You can look back at the dialogue. I can give another example of netizenship happening and perhaps that can help you Mr. Straskraba to understand some of what has gone on.
Mr. Straskraba	49.	thank you ms. hauben ... i just read through the chat. it�s really interesting.
Mr. Straskraba	50.	"I see - there a need to get ordinary people more involves in presenting solutions to their own issues - and I see netizen as a possible empowerment tool" ... well, here is a netizen speaking ;)
Ms. Hauben	51.	Ms Zaher, blogs and websites and online magazines can be contributing to the Net or they can be for one's own private purposes an d in that case are not connected with netizenship.
Ms. Zaher	52.	but do not blogs, websites, etc. encourage the concept of being a netizen?
Mr. Straskraba	53.	it has very much to do with open dialogues, open cultures, an open mind in general ..
Ms. Hauben	54.	Nice Mr. Straskraba that you realize you are a netizen !
Ms. Hauben	55.	Yes netizens has to do with open discussion on issues that will affect the future of the Internet
Mr. Straskraba	56.	ms. hauben: yes, i think i�m a netizen for about 7 years now
Mr. Straskraba	57.	well, i�d like to hear your ideas to spread the concept to those who are not /yet netizens. people who are not even aware of the potential of the net
Ms. Hauben	58.	The concept of netizen was articulated 10 years ago, in summer 1993 in an online post called "Common Sense: The Net and the Netizen" and so that you have been a netizen for 7 years is a fine achievement !
Mr. Straskraba	59.	ms. hauben: 55, i don�t only see it by affecting the future of the internet but also inter-relationship between the internet and society
Mr. Straskraba	60.	ms. hauben: well, that�s just me .. i was so very fascinated to be able to attend ars electronica center from a very beginning
Ms. Hauben	61.	Yes I agree that it is crucial for a netizen to also participate in the inter-relationship bnetween the Internet and society.
Mr. Straskraba	62.	ms. hauben: there is a technical commitee at IFIP dealing with computers & society. have you heard of it?
Mr. Straskraba	63.	and also CPSR (computer professionals for social responsiblity) seem to be netizens in a very good sense
Mr. Straskraba	64.	what about the other attendees in here? ms. lenser, mr. eilts, ms. zaher? what are your experiences and ideas?
Ms. Hauben	65.	The question of how to spread the concept of netizen to those who are not-zet netizens - some of what my co-author of the book we put online in 1994, felt was that it was a significant step to recognize that there were netizens and for netizens to collaborate in the efforts to take on the problems that impede the net's development
Mr. Straskraba	66.	ms. hauben: we need to stay in contact i think. plz send me a short into at laurent@straskraba.net
Ms. Hauben	67.	i would like to hear that too
Mr. Straskraba	68.	so we need some awareness raising and motivational campaigns like hewlett-packards e-inclusion. what else?
Ms. Zaher	69.	thanks!


Issue	9:

"how can we can overcome our box thinking, falt thinking and labeling, our imagined feeling right"

Mr. Straskraba	1.	hello heiner
Mr. Straskraba	2.	very interesting topic
Mr. Straskraba	3.	what makes people think in boxes actually?
Mr. Straskraba	4.	some people say it is to reduce complexity
Mr. benking	5.	yes I hope so
Mr. Straskraba	6.	ok, so how can we overcome complexity other than box thinking?
Ms. Hauben	7.	The wonderful thing on early usenet was people begaqn to hear viewpoints they couldn# imagine. They had to rethink old positions and thy were excited to grow and change.
Mr. Straskraba	8.	i think not every individual has the mental power or just not the time to be an "intellectual thinker"
Mr. benking	9.	what makes people think in boxes !? it is easier and is actaully a survival principle - but it is not good enough - as we encounter greater variety and other "lands"
Mr. Straskraba	10.	mr. benking: aha, also a lyotard reader ;)
Mr. benking	11.	no
Ms. Hauben	12.	I think xposure to thoughtful and helpful presentations of alternaive points of view helps people see that box thinking is too static and narrow.
Mr. Straskraba	13.	well, then it might be interesting to you to read about lyotard�s postmodern world - including islands and seas
Ms. Hauben	14.	what does lzot
Mr. Straskraba	15.	ms. hauben: yes, that�s what WE do assumingly every day
Ms. Hauben	16.	lyotard say?
Mr. benking	17.	yes Dave should eb here with his islands and campgrounds at http://vun.org
Mr. Straskraba	18.	lyotard is a french philosopher saying that the postmodern world is based on islands which are divided by oceans .. and we are encountering other world by using means of transport - mcluhan would say medias
Ms. Hauben	19.	but Lyotard doesn't seem to know about the Internet and Usenet if that is what he says
Mr. Straskraba	20.	i also think that exposing oneself in various environments (cultures) is a good thing but also very dangerous - not to lose one�s own identy
Mr. benking	21.	yes but we need now new ways and means of transportation - we speak about mental mobility - and for that I designed a covenant or artificail "landscape".
Mr. Straskraba	22.	ms. hauben: hahaha, like any other old french philosopher
Mr. Straskraba	23.	yes, i agree on mental mobility. but this has to do with intellectual ability to some extend - it can�t be expected from "the man on the street" .. so how to bridge that?
Ms. Hauben	24.	yes they don't seem to be up current with the important developments of our current world
Ms. Herrlich	25.	May I join in? Seems to me that men on the street are busy with surviving
Mr. Straskraba	26.	ms. hauben: a rather generalizing statement if i may argue ;)
Mr. Straskraba	27.	you see me trying to be mentally mobile ;)
Mr. benking	28.	how to bridge -just do share commons in a covenant
Ms. Morton-Marr	29.	How can we educate if the Ozone Hole gets any bigger? My grandchildren in Australia have to sign a covernant with their teachers, parents and the Principal, to cover themselves with UV cream, and wear a hat before they go out to play in the sun. I think that we will have to think together long before this happens.
Ms. Hauben	30.	I have found habermas's interest in communication helpful
Mr. Straskraba	31.	mr. benking: that�s just for a second .. but culture, family, experience is so much longer lasting than a nice "ethical"/"intellectual" discussion .. so what next?
Mr. benking	32.	Yes julia - this is my concern since sooooooooooooo many years
Ms. Hauben	33.	Mr. Straskraba do you feel that the sense of Lyotard is useful to understand our present time?
Mr. Straskraba	34.	ms. morton-marr: i very much agree .. a hat, glasses, and a t-shirt ... the 3 pillars of australia
Mr. benking	35.	I always use the first graph of the CLUB OF ROME which shows that we need to bridge the scales - not getting lost in "meso" scale
Mr. Straskraba	36.	ms. hauben: 30 - me too, but that means dialectic communication .. would a nazi mind try to communicate like this?
Mr. Straskraba	37.	ms. hauben: to some extent i do
Mr. benking	38.	good question mrs. Hauben - wennned to get out of the box - but by including old AND new thinking
Ms. Hauben	39.	I don't think the nayi
Mr. Straskraba	40.	i think the most important thing to acknowledge is that we are all ONE human race .. but i think there are a lot of obstacles against that
Mr. Straskraba	41.	(in real life)
Ms. Hauben	42.	the nazi mind was much interested in communication among people and in learning from the feedback of different people's responses to what was needed. Otherwise there wouldn't have been the need for the terror that thee nazi's used against people.
Ms. Hauben	43.	What of Lyotard seems useful?
Mr. Straskraba	44.	ms. hauben: that we need to discover new "islands" to get a better picture of the world we are living in
Mr. Straskraba	45.	(like goethe already said in those days)
Ms. Hauben	46.	I have been in contact with some French historians of science and it will be interesting to see if they find the internet of value.
Mr. Straskraba	47.	ms. hauben: elder ones? would be interested as well
Ms. Hauben	48.	What is the significance of new "islands"?
Mr. benking	49.	we need to make sense and find shared meanings - not esplore new islands !
Mr. Straskraba	50.	did you know that france and austria are the only countries among europe who declined public participation in the national e-strategy?
Mr. benking	51.	interesting
Ms. Hauben	52.	No I didn't know that. What is the national e-strategy
Mr. Straskraba	53.	ms. hauben: to me it is the difference of the "old" world - something to learn from
Mr. Straskraba	54.	ms. hauben: you surely know e-europe. and the eu member states have to form their own national policies concerning the "information society"
Ms. Hauben	55.	I don't understand what you mean by "old" world - something to learn from and how this relates to "new islads"?
Mr. benking	56.	our "old" thinking lead us to explore and create colonies -how about teh Chines - sailing all seas long before us - but without need to build clolonies and conquer new islands! - finding news within - inside, outside and in-between !
Mr. Straskraba	57.	49: i always learn something about myself when i�m discovering new "islands", i.e. a lady from kyrgyzistan to name an example from the vienna conference
Ms. Hauben	58.	No I didnät know what e-strategy meant as I had come across where the EU was encouraging e-admiistration changes by EU governments which seemed essentially to be ways to change how services were offered and now to offer them online. This was not to involve people more in
Mr. Straskraba	59.	55: take me as the old world - while talking to you i discover a new island.
Ms. Hauben	60.	making decisions.
Mr. Straskraba	61.	58/60: exactly. but there are other examples like the netherlands ... but let�s get back to the session topic again
Ms. Hauben	62.	I have recently met a guy from Krygzyistan and that was quite fascinating.
Mr. Straskraba	63.	ms. hauben: you see ;)
Ms. Hauben	64.	But he wouldn't want to be considered an island :)
Mr. Straskraba	65.	ms. hauben: why you know?
Ms. Hauben	66.	He was very happy to be experiencing a bigger world and wanted his son to grow up in Olsd
Ms. Hauben	67.	Old Europe, not in the US or 'New Europe'
Mr. Straskraba	68.	64: maybe he does? and we just don�t know because we didn�t talk with him - just used our "old world" thinking to put over him .. ;)
Mr. benking	69.	yes - would love to return to the topic - but sharing need to be able to share commons - not live in sweet isolation
Ms. Hauben	70.	Except for the Net we living in NYC feel like we are on an "island" i.e. isolated from a bigger world
Ms. Hauben	71.	The Net makes it possible to survive in the difficult situation that the U.S. political situation presents one with these days
Mr. Straskraba	72.	69: there are 3 ways i think: 1) everyone is happy in living seperated (maybe even without knowing about the others existence), 2) conflict - the clash of civilizations, 3) a way to see each other as "new islands" that are fascinating to explore
Mr. benking	73.	how about HARLEM NY ? a world in a world?
Mr. benking	74.	Mr. your are an "ad-hoc" deep thinker!? - welcome!!
Ms. Hauben	75.	New islands doesn't present the sense of a collaboration, which is what is so vital in our times.
Mr. benking	76.	yes we should think about oceans not islands !
Ms. Hauben	77.	But those in Harlem can also be part of a bigger world via the Net.
Mr. Straskraba	78.	i lost connection
Mr. benking	79.	this is the problem, Mr.
Ms. Hauben	80.	Interesting thinking about oceans - there are many varieties of fish in an ocean.
Mr. Straskraba	81.	nope, as long as i know ways to solve problems .. no problem big enough to halt me from learning ;)
Mr. benking	82.	Julia - you are a butterfly or bumble-bee in the open-space arena !?
Ms. Morton-Marr	83.	Heiner, Yes ... I like the ideas of oceans. Fish swim from food oasis to oasis:
Ms. Hauben	84.	I find that having people to collaborate with to solve problems makes all the difference
Ms. Hauben	85.	In isolation it seems impossible
Mr. Straskraba	86.	ms. hauben (75): not yet, you�re right. it�s just the first step .. to acknowledge other/new things as being something with a potential for progress
Mr. benking	87.	yes Mr. Straskraba - today I move mountains - tomorrow I try clouds
Mr. Straskraba	88.	76: we should thing about boats and ropes i guess - tools to discover the world as a whole.
Ms. Hauben	89.	It is amazing to see how with collaboration what seem to be impossible problems can be approached and progress made with them -- that is what I have found quite wondrous with participating on the net
Mr. benking	90.	I leaned to know mrs. MANN _ BORGESE the mother of the OCEANS like is Mrs Barbara Follet the economic thinker of connectedness, of lumping.
Mr. Straskraba	91.	ms. hauben (84): i think it is a question of judging it .. to me it as a challenging experience ;)
Mr. Straskraba	92.	mr. benking (87): as long as you know what tool to use .. go for it! :)
Ms. Morton-Marr	93.	Let's brainstorm the ideas of oceans and clouds in out of the box thinking. Monach Butterflies catch clouds from Canada to Mexico. I will fly away and think for a while....
Mr. benking	94.	JULIA, Fish swim between islands or between one oasis to the other!??
Ms. Hauben	95.	Mr Straskraba what are you saying is a challenging experience? Is that what you feel about problems?
Mr. Straskraba	96.	i�m sorry .. i gotta go .. my vietnamese friend cooked cantonese duck in my austrian appartment posessed by a man with a french first and a last slavic name ;)
Mr. Straskraba	97.	plz mail me for more conversation, i really enjoyed!! laurent@straskraba.net
Ms. Hauben	98.	bonne appetit
Ms. Hauben	99.	yes and mail me too rh120@columbia.edu
Mr. benking	100.	thanks to all of you and please enjoy the appetite and not give up when people try to marginalize or put life into pieces !!


Issue	10:

"How do we achieve universal access at little or no cost?"

Mr. Henkel	1.	How much do you need to pay to have www access at the moment?
Mr. hauben	2.	I feel we need to be sure internet access is spread to all. I feel that needs the participation of each country#s governments. Do you agree we must seek government involvement?
Ms. Malloy	3.	Can the person who brought up this topic explain what you mean by universal access please.
Mr. Henkel	4.	In times of less tax income and low public budgets I do not hope much for public support. But our government should help us on our way to private sponsoring, companies and/or institutions.
Mr. MacBryde	5.	Low budgets yes, but for instance the "airwaves" are a public good, and there are ways to make communications capacity open for educatioal purposes.
Mr. hauben	6.	Universal access is the concern to insure that a computer terminal is available to a user when he or she needs it.
Mr. hauben	7.	That means at home if possible as the goal but perhaps in public spaces to begin with. Including shopping places.
Mr. Schneider	8.	concerning remote, developing world access, MR STRASKRABA WILL TALK ABOUT A NICE CONCEPT for establishing technological access via commuity technology centres (sloar ( sat powered), and meaningful content access via a global cybercommunity of knowledge managers (cf. www.takingitglobal.org, but more professional).
Mr. hauben	9.	Local situations will require different technological solutions but still the goal should be every location should be aimed for with connectivity to the Intetrnet. Does that mean the governments must be involved?
Mr. MacBryde	10.	Yes on #6 and 7. Would one way be to insure that whereever there is a school, some medical facility, and some development projects that there also be a shared internet node?
Ms. Hauben	11.	Government is needed to regulate the airwaves as a public good
Ms. Hauben	12.	Good regulation is needed, not the absence of good regulation which is
Ms. Hauben	13.	what corporations ask for, at least in the U.S.
Mr. MacBryde	14.	sorry, just got phone call
Mr. hauben	15.	IS MY QUESTION WRONG?
Ms. Morton-Marr	16.	I suggest we ask the the UN for guidance through UNESCO to develop a fund to ensure that there is universal access to global peace education.
Mr. Schneider	17.	It is true, that we need to have internet access free, at least online cost. it is an indispensable tool for global cooperation through communication, crossing all the borders of the mind...


Issue	11:

"How can we build Global Sustainability Education in all schools worldwide?"

Ms. Morton-Marr	1.	How are you all ensuring global education is in your schools? Please mention your Country
Ms. Malloy	2.	HI -- We have a homeschool group in Florida that encourages sustainability. We do recycled arts and crafts, we have a Jane Goodall Roots and Shoots Group, we do park clean up after our gatherings. We sponsor educational events on bats and butterflies etc..
Ms. Morton-Marr	3.	So do all the schools in Florida do the same program?
Mr. Lohmann	4.	What kind of recycled arts do you do?
Ms. Malloy	5.	No because we are homeschoolers -- we are registered with the school district and accountable only through a once a year evaluation -- so we all learn in different ways using different methods and curriculums.
Ms. Morton-Marr	6.	I find that here in Canada that although there is a law that Ontario Schools have to participate in Global Education, because of the great work done by Tom Lyons, but there still is not strong involvement by Provincial Schools.
Ms. Malloy	7.	Recycled Arts - we use old egg cartons to make puppets, we use old light bulbs to make ornaments an others
Ms. Herrlich	8.	In a nearby school the whole school started with politeness, opening the dand the aggresson between the pupils is greatly reduced, a good input for sustainability, what do you think?
Ms. Herrlich	9.	sorry, openig doors for each others
Ms. Morton-Marr	10.	Jane Goodall Roots and Shoots group have just planted a Peace Garden and are interested in connecting with our International School Peace Gardens curriculum. www.ihtec.on.ca
Mr. benking	11.	we redo the GLOABL CHANGE exhibition from 1990 here with schools in a recreation and environemtnal center here somewhere int eh woods. The children learn about environmetn and global change - learn about maps and models and their part as stakeholders along and across scales. go to http://benking.de/Global-Change/ one day. the exhibition will be redone and will open in two days - Nov. 20th
Ms. Malloy	12.	#8 respect and care for one another -- and the earth -- and her diversity -- is very important in learning sustainability - something we stress in our programs
Mr. benking	13.	yes I know Jane - I told her long ago about the Club of Budapest
Ms. Malloy	14.	#13 Mr Benking - what is the Club of Budapest please?
Ms. Morton-Marr	15.	Heiner, at the last 'Interdisciplary Conference on the Evolution of World order, my Sustainability Education group decided that all future education must be considered 'Survival Education'.
Mr. benking	16.	well Jane is an honory member - go to club of budapest.org 100 invited creative members with focus on woman and artists and the spiritual domain
Mr. benking	17.	BUT i wanted top speak about the needed covenant - so we jsut do not have only commandments but agreed frames of refernces: http://benking.de/covenant/sld001.htm
Ms. Malloy	18.	Yes Ms Morton Marr that is our feeling as well, that this next generation needs to know how to do more than consume, they will need to be much more resourceful and creative.
Mr. benking	19.	Julia, I agree
Ms. Malloy	20.	#16 Thank you Mr Benking I will look into it.
Ms. Morton-Marr	21.	Helmut Burkhardt and I are developing policy from the 17 items on the EWOC agenda. We have the critical issues, and some solutions as to the kind of global sustainability education that could come from it. I would like the group to add what items are essential for your country?
Ms. Morton-Marr	22.	Heiner, Please could you ask Jane Goodall to contact me?
Ms. Malloy	23.	#21- I think sustainability is more effective from the grass roots up rather than as a matter of policy. People have to see why and want to do it and learn how and implement it themselves.
Mr. benking	24.	We had the European forum for Freedom in Education - a place where alternative schools had a place - may be see effe one day. For me the includion of all senses and aesthetics are important !
Ms. Morton-Marr	25.	You are doing good work with the idea of covenants. However is the Earth Charter in a good enough form to be considered a covenant?
Ms. Morton-Marr	26.	Ms. Malloy, I agree with you, but we need to encourage acceptance by all governments worldwide
Ms. Malloy	27.	Ms Morton Marr - absolutely.
Mr. benking	28.	we had discused at the earth cahrter meeting the need for a covenant - a frame of references - nothing more or less. It was especailly the support in teh EARTH CAHRTER sessions which mad us to pick up this term
Ms. Morton-Marr	29.	Mr. Hauben, what do you think?
Ms. Morton-Marr	30.	What did you do during the European Forum for Freedom in Education? What did this mean in Government controlled schools?
Mr. hauben	31.	hi
Ms. Morton-Marr	32.	Re the covenant - Do the others think that we need a global covernant for schools and teachers. I doubt if a covernant would be easily accepted by many teachers.
Mr. hauben	33.	I think there has been great trouble arriving at global agreements and covenants. I think the Internet may be the tool that can help move us toward the possibilty of such but we must take care that the Internet is public and available and free to use.
Ms. Morton-Marr	34.	Hall Mr. Hauben,
Mr. benking	35.	theglobal covenant we defined is to outline only survey knowledge - it is to get and maintain overview - has nothing to do with details. It is just meant to help us to understnd what is where.
Mr. hauben	36.	hi
Mr. hauben	37.	can there be a global convenant without universal global participation?
Mr. Oberle	38.	#33:I agree with Hr HAuben. As in germany we have 16 Bundesländer with 16 ministries of education it is difficult to get an agreement about educational goals. So it will be much more difficult to get a global agreement.
Ms. Morton-Marr	39.	Welcome to Mr. Oberle & Ms Kolbe; What kind of Global Sustainability Education are you doing? Do you know how many schools are working on survival education?
Mr. Oberle	40.	Sorry, I've never hearde about "survival education"
Mr. benking	41.	the covenant is about shared and agreed upon frames of references - so we can all be included for bottom-up or grass root affairs and are not seperated in different "boxes".
Ms. Herrlich	42.	hi
Ms. Morton-Marr	43.	Mr. Hauben - What a great question. There is no doubt that we need global participation in protection of the planet. Does this group think that a global covernant is a first step?
Mr. hauben	44.	Maybe there is a difference in priorities. A global convenant would be helpful but when will it be possible?
Mr. hauben	45.	Maybe I am saying that we should in what ever else we do strive at teh same time to keep in the forfront the continuréd spread and defense of a public and open and freely accessable Internet.
Ms. Morton-Marr	46.	Mr. Oberle - All Global Sustainability Education needs to focus on the 'Web of Life' and it's protection.
Mr. benking	47.	survival education means for me including scouts - pathfidners and their ways and means to map and orient and find directiosn and share them responsibeley!!
Mr. Oberle	48.	O.k, this is part of one of my topics - physics. Here we discuss a lot about regenerative energy, especially about solar energy which is a project of our schol
Ms. Herrlich	49.	Ms. Morton-Marr, what do you understand of 'Web of Life"?
Mr. benking	50.	we did DENKMODELEL with scouts towards greater surcvival


Issue	12:

"How can we connect learners and work together to create new learning communities?"

Ms. Malloy	1.	Hi folks welcome to this session.
Ms. Malloy	2.	My question relates to ideas about reating different types of learning communities -- different than traditional schools.
Ms. Zaher	3.	ms. malloy: could you give an example?
Ms. Malloy	4.	For example we have a homeschool group that works to create community based learning opps for homeschool kids since they don't have the opp to learn in comm groups that much.
Ms. Zaher	5.	thank you
Mr. Oberle	6.	I think Internet an eLearning portals will be the basic for such global communities
Ms. Malloy	7.	Yes I think internet portals support it but people seem not to know how to do it face to face.
Ms. Zaher	8.	it seems like people have connected in places of similarities: your homeschool example, community sports teams might be another, religious groups another...in many of these instances, the internet could be an interesting platform
Ms. Zaher	9.	what keeps people from connecting in learning communities?
Ms. Malloy	10.	Everyone has different ideas and wants to do it their own way.
Ms. Zaher	11.	i think some if it might be because of the lack of models of how to gather as learning co.
Ms. Malloy	12.	Yes ideally people come together to create what works for the interested group.
Mr. MacBryde	13.	Re 2 and 3: For one current example, have a look sometime at www.MoveOn.org for some efforts by some US Americans who are tired of being Bushed. (Who is about to arive in London... ho ho.)(Sorry for "aside" ;-)
Mr. Oberle	14.	there must be a clear advantage for each learner to join a group
Ms. Malloy	15.	This open space model is a good one that we try and use but people are not familiar with it and don't feel comfortable without all the hierarchy.
Ms. Zaher	16.	ms. malloy: pardon my ignorance but what is the 'open space model'?
Ms. Malloy	17.	This conference is an example of open space model -- create a space for people to come together and exchange information, ideas, solutions, create action plans - as opposed to a more traditional meeting format with a chairman and pre planned agenda.
Ms. Zaher	18.	i wonder in our current world where many feel as if they do not have enough time to accomplish what they "need" to do to survive and where the rate of change is increasing exponentially if this creates a need for new ways to connect with people. there just doesn't seem to be enough "time" for natural/organic connections to be made
Ms. Zaher	19.	excellent...that is what i thought.
Ms. Malloy	20.	Ms Zaher- - yes esp in the US people are very hurried and rushed and organic models do take more time and care and attention to evolve and everyone seems to want to buy it rather than create it or they want it all prepackaged and done for them. how is it in the rest of the world?
Ms. Malloy	21.	To everyone -- What new types of learning communities would you like to see in your communities and how would you share them with the rest of the world?
Mr. Schneider	22.	to 7: and 10: internet communication has shown to have a different quality than face2face, with certain advantages... access to information (if you find it), and self-organisez learning. people do not like to learn in communities because they are very different and do not want to be PRESSED into a format. www.takingitglobal is waht I perceive as an educational internet community. 26,000 registered YOUNG users are discussing sustainability issues, starting projects and including professional Action and EFFECT. this kind of a content portal could be put into an educational format for school, and allow children to EXPLORE the wide contect of sustainability in open calss-format, and at the same time qualify them and establish a BRIDGE to beecoming ACTIVE in their spare time according to their personal interest...
Ms. Zaher	23.	since i work in the theological field, i would love to see more organic theological learning communities emerge that wrestle with faith in various contexts. we are trying some of this with two groups with whom i work: www.rocktheworld.org and www.emergentvillage.com
Ms. Zaher	24.	both sites have bulletin boards that foster varying degrees of connectivity
Ms. Malloy	25.	Mr Schneider - thank you for the link. I will go there. Yes internet communication and learning are great and different than face to face. We still have to connect and work together and act as a community in the global organic 3D world.
Ms. Malloy	26.	Ms Zaher what do the organic theological learning communities you work with look like? how do they work?
Ms. Zaher	27.	most are groups of folks gathering around beer talking about putting theology into practice
Ms. Zaher	28.	some of the same conversations i hear in the education world but with different language
Ms. Malloy	29.	Do they put it into practice? action? and how so?
Ms. Zaher	30.	ms. malloy: what groups of learners do you see creating new learning communities such as the homeschool community?
Ms. Zaher	31.	yes, people live out what they believe in their family and/or with their friends. a group of which i am a part spends much of it's time volunteering and working with others in need outside of their circle of peers
Ms. Zaher	32.	in terms of the session topic: i think the way that learners are connected are through introduction, whether that is done via the web , bulletin boards, newspapers, or face-to-face
Ms. Malloy	33.	As a homeschool community we come together to create learning opportunities that our learners want to learn about -- that we can't do on our own -- that we work on taking from an idea to reality by combining our efforts together to meet the needs of the group.
Ms. Zaher	34.	to me the challenging thing is to assist people in the creation of new learning communities and helping to facilitate a desire for life-long learning
Ms. Malloy	35.	Yes that is extremely challenging.
Ms. Malloy	36.	And learning in new ways - opening up to learning in non-traditional settings and methods.
Ms. Malloy	37.	That is what I am interested in learning from the session participants. How are people learning in other parts of the world - other than traditional schools.
Ms. Zaher	38.	i am trying to think of ways to break the traditional box
Mr. Oberle	39.	people need a self-learn-competence. In Bavaria, the Realschulen try some new ways to help pupils to achieve this competence. I think this is the assumption for other learning activities, like learning in communities worldwide
Ms. Malloy	40.	Thank you for participating.